1 00:00:07,190 --> 00:00:03,439 program Hancock I've heard of him but I 2 00:00:09,020 --> 00:00:07,200 was totally oblivious to what John West 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:09,030 and Robert Schoch were doing in Egypt 4 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:12,090 amazingly but I was there at a time they 5 00:00:19,220 --> 00:00:15,030 were they were investigating these 6 00:00:22,099 --> 00:00:19,230 things in in 91 and 93 but for some 7 00:00:24,859 --> 00:00:22,109 reason within cross paths and and 8 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:24,869 thankfully the Sphinx was not at all in 9 00:00:32,269 --> 00:00:29,310 my in my line of sight if that's the 10 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:32,279 right word I was very focused on the 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:34,559 astronomy of the of the Pyramids of Giza 12 00:00:43,729 --> 00:00:40,890 and I was going full blast to to present 13 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:43,739 this both in in a book form I was 14 00:00:49,819 --> 00:00:46,170 writing a book at the time you know 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:49,829 between 92 and 93 and I was also doing a 16 00:00:56,750 --> 00:00:52,770 BBC documentary at the time so I was 17 00:00:58,639 --> 00:00:56,760 very very taken by this by just the 18 00:01:01,819 --> 00:00:58,649 pyramids and the Sphinx for some reason 19 00:01:04,399 --> 00:01:01,829 was not something that that I was 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:04,409 involved with at all I didn't see it how 21 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:07,170 it fitted at all in this the scheme this 22 00:01:12,980 --> 00:01:08,760 correlation theories I want to 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:12,990 developing however I'll cut a long story 24 00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:16,490 short as usual but I got to meet Hancock 25 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:18,180 let me get this right 26 00:01:26,980 --> 00:01:23,759 late in 93 and he put me in touch with 27 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:26,990 John West and said look there's this guy 28 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:30,630 with with the with a Boston Professor 29 00:01:37,630 --> 00:01:33,780 Robert Schoch they're both looking at 30 00:01:41,649 --> 00:01:37,640 the things they say that it's much older 31 00:01:45,469 --> 00:01:41,659 now I got very intrigued by this because 32 00:01:49,219 --> 00:01:45,479 in my book the Orion mystery although I 33 00:01:50,929 --> 00:01:49,229 didn't speak about the Sphinx at all or 34 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:50,939 very much in passing I can't remember 35 00:02:01,940 --> 00:01:56,820 offhand I had shown that the layout of 36 00:02:05,660 --> 00:02:01,950 the Giza pyramids were reflecting on the 37 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:05,670 ground an image of the sky of Orion's 38 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:11,190 belt in 10500 BC and because now John 39 00:02:16,099 --> 00:02:13,680 Weston and Robert chalk would 40 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:16,109 claiming a match all these things I'm 41 00:02:23,839 --> 00:02:17,489 going to three again let's look let's 42 00:02:25,699 --> 00:02:23,849 let's look at this I met John he was 43 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:25,709 staying at his sister's at the time in 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:29,310 the upstate New York and I remember I 45 00:02:32,530 --> 00:02:31,170 decide to specifically go and see and I 46 00:02:35,539 --> 00:02:32,540 took a trip to the States 47 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:35,549 I'm not too sure if I was on a visit to 48 00:02:40,009 --> 00:02:37,980 see my publishers but definitely on my 49 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:40,019 agenda was to meet John West and I 50 00:02:44,629 --> 00:02:42,000 remember renting a car I was with Adan 51 00:02:49,220 --> 00:02:44,639 Gilbert's my co-author and we drove all 52 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:49,230 the way to to upstate New York in White 53 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:51,209 Plains that's right and went over the 54 00:02:56,659 --> 00:02:54,959 name and as we approached I'll never 55 00:02:59,089 --> 00:02:56,669 forget this moment it's one of these 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:02:59,099 moments because as we approached I 57 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:01,290 passed a car it was very woody sort of 58 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:03,359 place lovely trees and the healthy 59 00:03:09,949 --> 00:03:07,590 lovely house and I had seen John on 60 00:03:13,970 --> 00:03:09,959 television and he was there I think 61 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:13,980 we're doing a barbecue and I walked into 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:16,169 the garden into the place and he looked 63 00:03:22,129 --> 00:03:18,090 at me and I told him I thought let me do 64 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:22,139 a sort of and Stanley meets Livingstone 65 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:26,040 something so I talking Lee I said John 66 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:28,889 West I presume and he sort of took the 67 00:03:35,149 --> 00:03:31,530 joke in it and that's how we shook hands 68 00:03:37,309 --> 00:03:35,159 and we met the first time and uh what 69 00:03:40,099 --> 00:03:37,319 followed of course is Hancock and I 70 00:03:43,249 --> 00:03:40,109 writing the message of the Sphinx where 71 00:03:44,929 --> 00:03:43,259 I developed the when I realized that it 72 00:03:47,509 --> 00:03:44,939 was in alignment with the Sphinx is 73 00:03:49,189 --> 00:03:47,519 correlated with the constellation of Leo 74 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:49,199 at the same time that the payments 75 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:51,209 correlated to the lines built in 10500 76 00:03:55,490 --> 00:03:53,370 BC so suddenly the whole thing goes 77 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:55,500 together so that's the background of all 78 00:04:01,599 --> 00:03:59,280 this you have to sort of press my pause 79 00:04:05,270 --> 00:04:01,609 button by the way crease if you want to 80 00:04:08,270 --> 00:04:05,280 it'll do it it's not a problem but the 81 00:04:10,009 --> 00:04:08,280 whole purpose of this is to again to 82 00:04:11,899 --> 00:04:10,019 celebrate John Anthony West and to 83 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:11,909 ensure they're absolutely I mean look 84 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:16,799 and let me say this you know John is the 85 00:04:23,690 --> 00:04:19,889 eldest in the fullest sense of the world 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:23,700 I mean John's been dragging his heels 87 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:26,250 and the Giza necropolis and in this 88 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:27,490 Egyptian 89 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:31,840 mr. E's long before I go in we know his 90 00:04:38,580 --> 00:04:35,620 story that started way back in the 60s I 91 00:04:39,870 --> 00:04:38,590 think on the island of a beach when he 92 00:04:42,540 --> 00:04:39,880 got involved with the schwa a little 93 00:04:45,620 --> 00:04:42,550 bits work I was definitely not in this 94 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:45,630 business at all so I see John as the as 95 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:50,740 as the cylindrical decisis the white 96 00:05:00,150 --> 00:04:54,970 herb of our gang I think I'm dog 97 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:00,160 Holloway and that's how I feed on I mean 98 00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:05,850 John Easley is the man and I've always 99 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:10,479 seen him as a senior to me I like 100 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:12,250 everybody else I adore his sense of 101 00:05:21,510 --> 00:05:17,020 humor his cynical cutting sense of humor 102 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:21,520 and he's a legend I mean he's a he's the 103 00:05:28,260 --> 00:05:26,289 last of breed he's the last of a breed 104 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:28,270 you know one of these adventurous 105 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:34,889 scholar come couldn't give a damn about 106 00:05:44,370 --> 00:05:42,400 anybody things wants to sort of really I 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:44,380 mean he you know one thing I like about 108 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:48,490 John is that he generally maybe the word 109 00:05:56,219 --> 00:05:52,590 generate is correct but he he's deeply 110 00:06:00,570 --> 00:05:56,229 against this this this struck up 111 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:00,580 Egyptological community that and he's 112 00:06:08,300 --> 00:06:03,010 done a very good job of exposing their 113 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:08,310 their bias and their little blockages 114 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:10,930 he's the man you know I really for for 115 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:13,120 what the public needed you know that the 116 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:17,880 whole thing blew up on on the big scene 117 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:23,530 when when he and John West brought out 118 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:25,210 this age of the Sphinx but particularly 119 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:27,720 when they did the mystery of the Sphinx 120 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:31,810 documentary you know suddenly everybody 121 00:06:38,250 --> 00:06:35,110 was around the world was was looking at 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:38,260 this this is a missionary reason I will 123 00:06:41,420 --> 00:06:40,810 not hide it it did a lot of wrote a lot 124 00:06:45,909 --> 00:06:41,430 of attention 125 00:06:50,529 --> 00:06:45,919 to what I was doing so having said this 126 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:50,539 it's an amazing honor for me to have 127 00:07:00,800 --> 00:06:57,330 twice written about the Sphinx where the 128 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:00,810 first time with the Graham Hancock 129 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:02,520 mysteries of the things I'm trying to 130 00:07:14,150 --> 00:07:05,910 find a book here can I can I move a bit 131 00:07:19,710 --> 00:07:17,850 actually prepared for this but most the 132 00:07:21,930 --> 00:07:19,720 best interviewers are unprepared in the 133 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:21,940 try Chris you know or our last interview 134 00:07:27,390 --> 00:07:24,720 I think hit about 3000 views and over 135 00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:27,400 9000 down wells there you are keeping of 136 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Genesis this is the original hardback in 137 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:33,370 America it was titled message of the 138 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:35,920 Sphinx the book which I'm very very 139 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:40,630 proud of not least because it was a 140 00:07:46,890 --> 00:07:42,700 number one bestseller on the Sunday 141 00:07:48,570 --> 00:07:46,900 Times listing I only Sunday time is 142 00:07:52,890 --> 00:07:48,580 number one bestseller it's the windows 143 00:07:56,930 --> 00:07:52,900 and it's the Wimbledon of books so I'm 144 00:08:01,440 --> 00:07:56,940 very proud of this but M we have devoted 145 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:01,450 a whole the whole chapter on John but 146 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:02,860 there we go again 147 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:05,050 little did I know that I would get it 148 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:07,030 get to write a book with Robert Schoch 149 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:14,950 who is really shocked is really the the 150 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:17,410 departure of John you know dude let's 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:18,730 call a spade a spade 152 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:21,010 I mean it's very difficult to say Robert 153 00:08:26,310 --> 00:08:23,950 Schoch without saying John West and and 154 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:26,320 with an st. John West without Robert 155 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:27,940 Schoch I mean they became a team so 156 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:30,850 Starsky and Hutch type of theme and the 157 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:34,930 day they did so well together shocked 158 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:38,910 being the academic West being the other 159 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:44,169 one was being West but here my many many 160 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:50,500 years later in fact 20 23 years later my 161 00:08:58,470 --> 00:08:54,930 god with a lot of chalk having written 162 00:09:02,070 --> 00:08:58,480 origins of these things and again I mean 163 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:02,080 not only much of what we write is 164 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:03,970 devoted also see what the shock right is 165 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:06,880 divorce with John West but there's a 166 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:12,430 wonderful dedication normally I dedicate 167 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:17,140 his books to my wife and sure Robert the 168 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:19,450 same but this time okay here it is I 169 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:21,190 think I better read it says we dedicate 170 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:22,330 this book for a friend and colleague 171 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:24,680 John Anthony West 172 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:30,040 a courageous soul that's it John a 173 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:36,070 courageous soul he is he got you know 174 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:40,550 it's hard for it's far hard for people 175 00:09:47,139 --> 00:09:41,990 who have been involved with this to 176 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:47,149 realize how much courage and resistance 177 00:09:55,210 --> 00:09:53,050 you need to bring a new original idea 178 00:09:57,970 --> 00:09:55,220 especially something that will topple 179 00:10:04,090 --> 00:09:57,980 the applecart of history like the age of 180 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:04,100 the Sphinx and and hold on it for 25 181 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:08,000 years and John's done that sometimes I 182 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:10,850 mean he he will go down in history as 183 00:10:25,769 --> 00:10:15,920 the man as the Sphinx man so there we 184 00:10:29,260 --> 00:10:25,779 are in origins of the Sphinx shock he 185 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:29,270 reviews again all this eventually had 186 00:10:37,030 --> 00:10:34,790 with with with West it was wonderful 187 00:10:42,370 --> 00:10:37,040 pictures with him and west of the 188 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:42,380 origins of the this affair and he 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:45,650 expands of course we both expand on the 190 00:10:52,980 --> 00:10:49,010 on the arguments which I hope John will 191 00:10:57,460 --> 00:10:52,990 be pleased because his initial hunch 192 00:11:02,370 --> 00:10:57,470 John's initial hunch that the Sphinx was 193 00:11:05,199 --> 00:11:02,380 much older he is very perceptive 194 00:11:08,530 --> 00:11:05,209 approach to bringing an academic like 195 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:08,540 like shock to to bring the matter to 196 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:14,350 attention as he did and the resistance 197 00:11:22,530 --> 00:11:17,390 that he had through the years I mean boy 198 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:22,540 I'm sure he's heard it from everybody is 199 00:11:31,690 --> 00:11:27,170 paying off paying off because the the 200 00:11:36,910 --> 00:11:31,700 the the result of all this is not only 201 00:11:40,410 --> 00:11:36,920 the strong geological arguments that 202 00:11:43,929 --> 00:11:40,420 the shockin and West broads in the 90s 203 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:43,939 but and also of course the astronomy 204 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:47,569 that that I brought with Hancock that 205 00:11:55,869 --> 00:11:54,169 that puts too hard sciences on the table 206 00:11:58,509 --> 00:11:55,879 here for for the opposition to look at 207 00:12:05,829 --> 00:11:58,519 for the Orthodox establishment to look 208 00:12:08,009 --> 00:12:05,839 at but from what I would have done in 209 00:12:10,749 --> 00:12:08,019 this book and certainly what I've done 210 00:12:14,049 --> 00:12:10,759 both with the astronomy and the textual 211 00:12:18,689 --> 00:12:14,059 material is to approach the problem in 212 00:12:23,379 --> 00:12:18,699 Reverse I call this reverse engineering 213 00:12:26,889 --> 00:12:23,389 having argued astronomically and 214 00:12:34,109 --> 00:12:26,899 geologically Linda's things is a much 215 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:34,119 older edifice then one would assume that 216 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:37,309 this knowledge was known to the ancient 217 00:12:46,890 --> 00:12:43,620 a geologists have confident can I follow 218 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:46,900 you chris is there come on I'm still 219 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:49,450 here I'm listening I'm letting you let 220 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:51,880 the magic happen okay 221 00:13:00,440 --> 00:12:56,560 well my approach this time was to say 222 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:00,450 first of all let's clear all the issues 223 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:04,930 economic Lee was a lot of shock dealt 224 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:07,750 with the geology but I looked into 225 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:09,820 matters that we hadn't looked into 226 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:12,850 details before the great whole chapter 227 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:14,880 is devoted for example of the so called 228 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:17,130 thanks Stella 229 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:21,430 where the so called or the name or part 230 00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:23,260 of the name of King hustler is on it and 231 00:13:28,829 --> 00:13:25,870 this was regarded as a as a smoking gun 232 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:28,839 evidence by the Egyptologist that the 233 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:30,730 Hofstra was responsible for the things 234 00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:35,410 of the Fourth Dynasty but I've devoted 235 00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:38,080 the whole chapter there to show that it 236 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:41,020 is disingenuous by the part of 237 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:42,970 Egyptology to use this as a smoking gun 238 00:13:48,510 --> 00:13:45,880 it isn't smoking gun at all it doesn't 239 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:48,520 prove one way or the other so these are 240 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:51,130 the approaches I've had but but my main 241 00:14:00,900 --> 00:13:58,500 we're right about this then the 242 00:14:04,020 --> 00:14:00,910 Egyptians themselves must know this 243 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:04,030 truth and they must have conserved this 244 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:06,640 this knowledge throughout their 245 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:08,470 civilization now one of the strong 246 00:14:13,650 --> 00:14:11,530 pieces of argument is the Stila 247 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:13,660 which I just mentioned which is in the 248 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:16,630 best of these things which makes a 249 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:17,170 statement 250 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:21,810 now this dealer was put there by a 251 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:26,370 writer that took Moses the force around 252 00:14:33,810 --> 00:14:30,100 1400 BC or so which is about a thousand 253 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:33,820 years after the dates that Egyptologists 254 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:37,710 allocated these things but nonetheless 255 00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:41,320 here is a fellow stating that this is 256 00:14:48,830 --> 00:14:45,000 the place of the beginning he uses the 257 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:48,840 words first time in ancient Egyptian 258 00:14:57,150 --> 00:14:53,260 Zep tepi literally first time now I have 259 00:14:59,400 --> 00:14:57,160 shown that Zep tepi astronomically must 260 00:15:02,370 --> 00:14:59,410 be 10,500 BC I don't go through the 261 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:02,380 whole mechanics of this but it's once 262 00:15:06,570 --> 00:15:04,690 again in this book origins of the Sphinx 263 00:15:10,770 --> 00:15:06,580 and of course innkeeper of Genesis 264 00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:10,780 message of these things but I needed 265 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:11,590 something more 266 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:15,490 and in fact of a later date and here is 267 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:17,410 the interesting part of this this this 268 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:21,040 new one cycle reverse-engineering start 269 00:15:25,830 --> 00:15:24,070 from the top okay I'll go to the one of 270 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:25,840 the lakes temples because we know that 271 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:30,250 the temple of horus at edfu speaks of 272 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:33,450 the origins of the Egyptian civilization 273 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:37,180 even though Egyptology say it it's 274 00:15:44,460 --> 00:15:39,540 mythology and we know the usual things 275 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:44,470 and I had not taken such deep interest 276 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:45,130 in this 277 00:15:50,430 --> 00:15:48,220 I knew all these texts I knew quite a 278 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:50,440 lot about them but I am going to the 279 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:54,090 nitty-gritty and there's two things that 280 00:16:01,500 --> 00:15:58,450 came out in this this research decided 281 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:01,510 during the writing this this book one is 282 00:16:09,090 --> 00:16:05,970 that the texts are categoric about a 283 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:09,100 group of people that came the 284 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:11,050 than the sages they call them the wise 285 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:14,950 men they call them the divinities they 286 00:16:21,270 --> 00:16:17,350 call them the builders and but I brought 287 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:21,280 along a book and I'm not very interested 288 00:16:27,630 --> 00:16:23,770 with the world whoa why would they bring 289 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:27,640 a book and this book and we have the 290 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:29,200 title of it we don't have the book we 291 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:31,270 have no idea what happened to it but 292 00:16:36,750 --> 00:16:34,630 this book is titled we're told this at 293 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:36,760 the temple several times by the way it's 294 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:39,610 titled this specification of the 295 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:46,750 primordial mounds and the word mounds is 296 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:48,220 very interesting because you know that 297 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:50,320 the pyramids are built most of the 298 00:16:54,690 --> 00:16:51,730 pyramids is practically those at Giza 299 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:54,700 built on bounds so I thought that is 300 00:16:59,010 --> 00:16:57,550 interesting let me look at this now to 301 00:17:01,500 --> 00:16:59,020 death to be able to interject very 302 00:17:03,860 --> 00:17:01,510 quickly and this is coming from from a 303 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:03,870 very good friend of yours mr. David Rohl 304 00:17:11,010 --> 00:17:06,820 and uh he and I discussed this at one 305 00:17:13,050 --> 00:17:11,020 point and he'd stated that the mounds 306 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:13,060 themselves had already been there is is 307 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:17,140 this importance the mounds are natural 308 00:17:22,290 --> 00:17:18,340 bounds and they've been there since 309 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:22,300 millions of years I think what you meant 310 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:24,310 and what Robert Schoch also agrees is 311 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:26,170 that for example the Great Pyramid is 312 00:17:32,610 --> 00:17:29,650 built on what just an amount but part of 313 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:32,620 the mound is actually inside the lower 314 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:35,500 part of the Great Pyramid it the pivot 315 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:39,730 is literally the core the the summit of 316 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:41,370 this mountain literally in its core 317 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:48,670 about 12 meters so in the book this we 318 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:50,770 argued before in fact I had brought this 319 00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:53,110 matter up with the late Professor 320 00:17:59,850 --> 00:17:54,880 Edwards rising Edwards many many years 321 00:18:01,980 --> 00:17:59,860 ago that it doesn't make sense at all to 322 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:01,990 put a monument such as the Great Pyramid 323 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:03,160 you know in so here with a six million 324 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:09,640 ton edifice on on a mountain and and 325 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:13,270 leaving the core of this mound cutting 326 00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:17,260 into into into your substructure this is 327 00:18:22,409 --> 00:18:20,140 totally mad it's totally it's totally 328 00:18:24,479 --> 00:18:22,419 against any engineering principles now 329 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:24,489 authorities who have no idea about 330 00:18:29,249 --> 00:18:27,369 proper engineering say well they wanted 331 00:18:32,729 --> 00:18:29,259 to save on labor so they use part of the 332 00:18:35,129 --> 00:18:32,739 mound you know as a core and that's 333 00:18:36,659 --> 00:18:35,139 ridiculous because any engineer will 334 00:18:39,090 --> 00:18:36,669 tell you that if you're going to put a 335 00:18:42,090 --> 00:18:39,100 building any building let alone a six 336 00:18:44,099 --> 00:18:42,100 million pound footprint like the Great 337 00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:44,109 Pyramid you want the ground to be 338 00:18:49,109 --> 00:18:47,590 absolutely perfectly leveled and the 339 00:18:53,729 --> 00:18:49,119 reason for this is very obvious you want 340 00:18:56,149 --> 00:18:53,739 the weight to be distributed evenly on a 341 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:56,159 flat surface so that there is no 342 00:19:01,049 --> 00:18:58,570 movement or risk of settlement and 343 00:19:02,430 --> 00:19:01,059 subsided it would be they took their it 344 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:02,440 would be the equivalent of let's say 345 00:19:10,109 --> 00:19:07,809 balancing a soda can on one's knee it's 346 00:19:13,859 --> 00:19:10,119 very unstable eventually it's not let me 347 00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:13,869 put it this way it would be like well I 348 00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,340 don't know I mean I could give you many 349 00:19:20,849 --> 00:19:17,679 examples but in engineering the first 350 00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,859 thing we do is we lever the site I mean 351 00:19:24,989 --> 00:19:23,679 this number one drew another one you 352 00:19:27,479 --> 00:19:24,999 know if you're going to put a building 353 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:27,489 you want the site level and if the site 354 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,950 isn't level we're going to use a special 355 00:19:37,529 --> 00:19:32,320 technique of foundations and have the 356 00:19:39,779 --> 00:19:37,539 building either on poor on pillars or on 357 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:39,789 on a floating foundation but there are 358 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:42,970 many many ways to do this but having 359 00:19:50,879 --> 00:19:47,529 said this it means that the that the 360 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:50,889 architect and and whoever commissioned 361 00:19:57,389 --> 00:19:54,070 this building wanted it to be there it 362 00:19:59,399 --> 00:19:57,399 in ki mean they took the risk so the 363 00:20:03,269 --> 00:19:59,409 question is what was so important about 364 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:03,279 this mount and again we discuss it quite 365 00:20:08,970 --> 00:20:06,100 extensively in the book but I've 366 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:08,980 discussed it even more controversially 367 00:20:13,259 --> 00:20:11,769 in a book I've written which would 368 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:13,269 professor Chandra become a saying which 369 00:20:18,629 --> 00:20:16,690 will come out in December because I 370 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:18,639 don't go in too much I think we talked 371 00:20:25,169 --> 00:20:20,710 about this on my last interview but the 372 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:25,179 location of this mound and the reason 373 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:26,529 probably to put the pyramid there is 374 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:28,690 that it has a very very important 375 00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:34,809 significance geographically it gives us 376 00:20:40,650 --> 00:20:37,559 a very precise 377 00:20:42,270 --> 00:20:40,660 coordinates that when you interpret this 378 00:20:45,630 --> 00:20:42,280 coordinates you come up with very very 379 00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:45,640 weird conclusion but let me just leave 380 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:47,950 this for working for now anyway the 381 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:50,710 point is this David Rohl is absolutely 382 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:52,390 correct the mountain being there a long 383 00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:53,890 time and we're dealing with several 384 00:20:57,930 --> 00:20:56,559 months we know that there was a mound at 385 00:20:59,820 --> 00:20:57,940 the temple of video please 386 00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,830 indeed this mount was considered the 387 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:02,640 most sacred place the place of creation 388 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:05,710 if at all these mounds will consider the 389 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:09,160 place of creation and therefore what the 390 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:12,490 texts are saying in edfu temple which is 391 00:21:17,490 --> 00:21:14,200 of the late period of the Ptolemaic 392 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,500 period is correct is corrected 393 00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:19,840 remembering if you like that there were 394 00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:22,870 these mounds and that they served as the 395 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:26,260 location of what they call the original 396 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:27,870 temples which seemed to be the payment 397 00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:30,160 having said this I looked more in the 398 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:34,030 text and I found the date there is a 399 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:43,010 at this depth epi time at this beginning 400 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:48,640 which I date to 10,500 BC which they 401 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:50,170 give us a calendrical they they tell us 402 00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:53,290 it happened on the first day of the 403 00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:56,830 fifth month they call this the first day 404 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:01,360 of the month of TB and when you again I 405 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,190 don't want to let out too much for the 406 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:05,440 spoiling the Sun of reading this book 407 00:22:13,230 --> 00:22:10,570 but when you you realize what this date 408 00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:13,240 means now what they tell us happened is 409 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:27,090 horse define man God defeats his 410 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:28,260 opponent 411 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:31,000 sadly the the counterparty evil comes 412 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:34,090 back and from that victory he becomes 413 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:38,110 the first king of Egypt at this 414 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:39,810 beginning of times 415 00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:42,250 Egyptology again say this is just 416 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:45,240 mythology and we can take this history 417 00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:49,780 so my my hunt if you like wants to say 418 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:54,790 okay if this date has a historical 419 00:23:00,030 --> 00:22:57,220 meaning now we know that the Sphinx is 420 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:00,040 called Horus Horus of the horizon the 421 00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:03,430 name of this original King and every 422 00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:04,900 subsequent Pharaoh took the name of 423 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:08,790 horse but here is the original Horus 424 00:23:16,110 --> 00:23:13,270 claiming a date of his coronation like 425 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:16,120 the day that he became king of Egypt the 426 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:19,180 very first king of Egypt we must find it 427 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:21,850 at Giza and more specifically we must 428 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:25,390 find that date at the Sphinx if we find 429 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:28,270 that date of the first of Tibia the 430 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:33,150 first of the fifth month at 10,500 BC 431 00:23:40,410 --> 00:23:36,580 then that locks it for me that means 432 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:40,420 that the remembrance of the Sphinx being 433 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:43,210 there since the beginning of time has 434 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:45,370 survived throughout the cirrhotic period 435 00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:49,930 and written in stone literally and well 436 00:23:53,460 --> 00:23:52,390 took not to let the cat out of the bag 437 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:53,470 as we say 438 00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,390 the date has been found and it's it's 439 00:24:02,340 --> 00:23:58,480 all detailed and nicely explained in 440 00:24:06,210 --> 00:24:02,350 here so that's it as far as I'm 441 00:24:10,289 --> 00:24:06,220 concerned the Egyptologists can - pass 442 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:10,299 on this matter and it all is because of 443 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:12,730 John West I really do not think that I 444 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:15,250 would have been involved with looking 445 00:24:25,950 --> 00:24:19,929 for for for in all these things without 446 00:24:27,539 --> 00:24:25,960 John West's amazing epiphany while hehe 447 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:27,549 it's one of those strange things that 448 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:29,020 happens to writers you know you picked 449 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,020 up a phrase in a book and the whole 450 00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:35,440 adventure started I believe I understand 451 00:24:40,409 --> 00:24:37,870 exactly we were coming from I think it 452 00:24:42,899 --> 00:24:40,419 was the last discussion I had with Laird 453 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:42,909 and I I think it was 3:00 in the morning 454 00:24:48,539 --> 00:24:47,080 and I typed out him like you're on from 455 00:24:50,909 --> 00:24:48,549 what I can understand it's possible 456 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:50,919 you're on the right track just okay keep 457 00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,650 talking because even even for myself I 458 00:24:58,860 --> 00:24:56,559 don't have and for a lot of people who 459 00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,870 maybe in interested in this field and 460 00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:00,400 just interested in looking at our 461 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:03,400 history in a much different manner than 462 00:25:08,130 --> 00:25:05,340 than what's been told to us throughout 463 00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:08,140 modern times by people who claim to be 464 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:10,030 experts but don't you know don't know 465 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:11,730 the whole story 466 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:14,470 women may not have the same level of 467 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:16,450 experience as researchers such as 468 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:19,000 yourself or the same academic background 469 00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:24,190 as dr. Robert Schoch or the ability just 470 00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:25,720 to think outside the box like John 471 00:25:31,049 --> 00:25:28,720 Anthony West or or have the eloquence of 472 00:25:32,669 --> 00:25:31,059 grand Hancock but you know we have our 473 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:32,679 own experiences that can sometimes lead 474 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:35,500 to a peace and you know sometimes we can 475 00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:38,289 some just get into our heads but the 476 00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:41,500 notion you know it's a I call it the 477 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:44,260 Apple the proverbial Apple you know the 478 00:25:48,899 --> 00:25:46,690 story of Newton you have two falls on 479 00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:48,909 his head there are people and I think 480 00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:50,470 we're all like that but there are people 481 00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:54,940 who take it to the next step I mean we 482 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:56,620 all will have an apple falling in our 483 00:25:58,830 --> 00:25:57,130 head 484 00:26:01,409 --> 00:25:58,840 metaphorically I mean my Apple was 485 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:01,419 looking at the picture of the pyramids 486 00:26:06,670 --> 00:26:05,260 in the wall of on a wall inside the 487 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:06,680 Cairo me here and 488 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:10,010 that's it you know I asked a question 489 00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:14,210 why why is there not set in this ground 490 00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:20,120 plan but what John did and I suppose 491 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:24,620 what Graham did and shark and myself is 492 00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:27,350 that we could have left it there because 493 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:29,180 I've said listen well my business I'm 494 00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:30,530 not in egyptologist 495 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:34,100 I'm not allowed geologist you know in 496 00:26:39,670 --> 00:26:35,810 fact I was a construction engineer at 497 00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:39,680 the time and okay fine I mean I made 498 00:26:44,590 --> 00:26:42,020 best I'll write a letter and say I've 499 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:44,600 noticed this which I did I wrote a 500 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:47,480 couple of letters to to some ecologist 501 00:26:53,890 --> 00:26:50,960 professor Edwards of one of them and I 502 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:53,900 can tell you I could have been totally 503 00:26:57,970 --> 00:26:55,970 sidetracked and in fact discouraged 504 00:27:00,340 --> 00:26:57,980 because I've gotten many replies saying 505 00:27:02,890 --> 00:27:00,350 mind your own business and this is 506 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:02,900 nothing to do young in Utah we take care 507 00:27:09,370 --> 00:27:05,530 of this you know we're Egyptologist I 508 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:09,380 even had a Swiss psychologist telling me 509 00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:12,130 be a good engineer and forget about it 510 00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:15,740 and I I could have been you know frankly 511 00:27:20,410 --> 00:27:17,960 I had I was doing very well in my 512 00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:20,420 engineering career but it kind of bugged 513 00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:23,180 me I didn't I didn't know this kind of 514 00:27:26,410 --> 00:27:24,740 profession I mean I would have thought 515 00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:26,420 that it would have been very interested 516 00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:28,430 without giving me encouragement but it 517 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:30,980 was quite the opposite I did get 518 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:32,750 encouragement from survival with state 519 00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:34,250 goodness I mean he said look this is 520 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:35,660 very interesting and why don't you 521 00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:39,290 publish it and that said I I became 522 00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:41,870 suppose obsessed with this now I suppose 523 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:43,700 the same thing with John West John West 524 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:47,390 so a phrase in the book that thousands 525 00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:49,610 of people had seen I mean the books have 526 00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:51,380 swallowed a little bit were certain in 527 00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:53,020 France they were they were read by by 528 00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:54,830 thousands and thousands of people 529 00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:58,640 academic historians engineers it's just 530 00:28:02,980 --> 00:28:01,070 one of those things they may have 531 00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:02,990 noticed that the phrase you know that 532 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:06,830 the German proverb came but that the 533 00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:09,050 Sphinx once had water erosion and hence 534 00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:11,720 he must be older but they just didn't do 535 00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,580 anything about it 536 00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:15,200 John is one of those guys you know that 537 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:17,030 the apple fell on his head and he just 538 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:19,190 said I'm going to take it whatever it 539 00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:20,290 takes me 540 00:28:27,210 --> 00:28:22,750 and boy did he take you to me right here 541 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:27,220 we are 35 years later and the books are 542 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:29,170 still being written about this arguments 543 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:31,690 discussions conferences 544 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:36,190 TV documentaries kudos due to a man like 545 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:39,760 that you know and you know it's it's 546 00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:43,120 these kind of individuals that that 547 00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:46,840 fascinate me and I'm apt and I want to 548 00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:49,720 speak about myself but I see myself a 549 00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,410 I'm happy that I did it you know I'm 550 00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:00,000 happy that you know we took it all the 551 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:04,830 way as we say I had a very nice quote 552 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:08,850 apparently attributed to the Buddha and 553 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:12,720 again I'll verb comes late verbatim come 554 00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:16,800 a bit exactly it went something like it 555 00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:20,520 isn't I think it didn't you I think you 556 00:29:27,790 --> 00:29:21,960 use the word sin but I can't really 557 00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:27,800 since it isn't a sin to see something 558 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:33,830 out of the ordinary but not to pursue it 559 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:38,100 not to do it is the same is the mistake 560 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,260 and only fuse mistake I'll get to the 561 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:41,760 quite a bit later a very pleasant summer 562 00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:45,870 but that is it that is it you know that 563 00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:48,720 I I affirm to give advice and I do this 564 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:50,430 to my children although they don't 565 00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:53,690 listen to me much these days is take it 566 00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:57,480 go all the way with it you might be 567 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:01,950 wrong but people will respect you for 568 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:04,050 taking it all the way all the way so 569 00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:08,610 that it's settled once and for all and I 570 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,800 think in John's case regarding those 571 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:12,000 things it will be settled 572 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:16,730 in his favor his his his intuitive 573 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:20,910 epiphany that he had while he read this 574 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:23,910 book of short little bits has when Mark 575 00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:28,470 III has made a lot of people seriously 576 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:32,070 think about Egyptian civilization and 577 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:34,650 therefore world civilization having not 578 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:37,830 only in all the origin but a greater 579 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:40,770 pedigree I mean how wonderful this is to 580 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:42,870 see ourselves in the talent you know 581 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:46,610 that well there are two quotes that are 582 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,050 very applicable and one is actually from 583 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:51,600 John Anthony West the first one is a 584 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:53,070 favorite of mine which is from Edmund 585 00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,690 Burke and very many people may know it 586 00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:56,640 which is the only thing necessary for 587 00:31:01,340 --> 00:30:58,440 the triumph of evil is for good men to 588 00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:01,350 do nothing and one of the greatest evils 589 00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:04,820 is willful ignorance or the 590 00:31:10,419 --> 00:31:08,659 ability for us to not look at a problem 591 00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:10,429 or look at something to gain greater 592 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:11,990 knowledge or creative perspective or 593 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:13,970 greater understanding it's it's having 594 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:15,830 its existing in life with with blinders 595 00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:17,809 on but that to me is one of the the 596 00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:21,919 greatest evils and because it's it is a 597 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:25,220 certain amount of apathy and John did 598 00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,370 not have that in spades and it leads 599 00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:29,840 very well into his next quote which is 600 00:31:33,129 --> 00:31:31,820 few things in the world or are more 601 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:33,139 predictable than the reaction of 602 00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:35,210 conventional minds to unconvinced by 603 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:38,120 convention we know that's our John 604 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:41,720 Anthony left it that is one of the most 605 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:43,490 inspirational quotes in terms of people 606 00:31:47,649 --> 00:31:46,100 who think differently and who are the 607 00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:47,659 type of individual who they know that 608 00:31:50,769 --> 00:31:49,340 they're going to get scorned or they're 609 00:31:53,619 --> 00:31:50,779 going to get blowback or they're going 610 00:31:56,139 --> 00:31:53,629 to be shouted down but they think that 611 00:31:58,869 --> 00:31:56,149 they are right and they can logically 612 00:32:01,629 --> 00:31:58,879 think through a problem and demonstrate 613 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:01,639 that problem using facts and logic and 614 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:07,490 yeah I mean yeah sorry oh no continue no 615 00:32:10,869 --> 00:32:09,470 I was going to well another thing I 616 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:10,879 don't I said John we said it but he says 617 00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:14,000 he said it during a conference at the 618 00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:17,720 beginning when when if I recall well 619 00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:19,820 they were presenting the the arguments 620 00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:24,559 of an order Sphinx and Egyptology stood 621 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:28,700 up might have been Michael a miniature 622 00:32:34,269 --> 00:32:30,769 he said there isn't one single 623 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:34,279 Egyptologist who agrees with you and I 624 00:32:40,509 --> 00:32:37,090 think John said truth is not democratic 625 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:40,519 if you don't vote on on something that 626 00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:41,870 is true you know he tried the true or 627 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:44,750 not now I think one of the things that 628 00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:47,330 has to be pointed out and hence why I 629 00:32:57,249 --> 00:32:50,929 admire John and pig like him is that he 630 00:33:01,289 --> 00:32:57,259 was not intimidated whatsoever by by by 631 00:33:04,779 --> 00:33:01,299 academics by experts by people who had a 632 00:33:08,289 --> 00:33:04,789 standing in the profession you know he 633 00:33:11,889 --> 00:33:08,299 he just said what he had to say and and 634 00:33:14,019 --> 00:33:11,899 he stood by it and if there's been 635 00:33:15,030 --> 00:33:14,029 anything that I took as an example from 636 00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:15,040 him 637 00:33:22,530 --> 00:33:19,660 is this I mean I I was in a profession a 638 00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:22,540 construction profession where the line 639 00:33:29,780 --> 00:33:26,140 of authority was greatly respected you 640 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:29,790 know who had the CEO then we had a 641 00:33:42,669 --> 00:33:40,269 he he made me realize the somebody else 642 00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:42,679 believe me who brought this matter up 643 00:33:52,779 --> 00:33:47,720 and although I'm sure his name stirs a 644 00:33:54,850 --> 00:33:52,789 lot of controversies erich von daniken I 645 00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:54,860 met her in von daniken Boris at the same 646 00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:56,750 time I met John West anyone Daniken told 647 00:34:01,930 --> 00:33:57,860 me something I'll never forget 648 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:01,940 he said you are now the expert okay on 649 00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:04,370 this matter so don't be intimidated by 650 00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:07,640 experts and he gave me a book which I 651 00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,260 cherish and I'm going to trouble myself 652 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:11,839 here which I think I told you last time 653 00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:15,740 did the experts speak probably find on 654 00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:17,750 Google it's written by two journalists 655 00:34:22,839 --> 00:34:20,599 in New York where they list all the 656 00:34:27,129 --> 00:34:22,849 experts who got it wrong you know it's 657 00:34:29,169 --> 00:34:27,139 amazing how people certainly in 350 in 658 00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:29,179 the pre 50s where people took experts 659 00:34:36,579 --> 00:34:34,520 word and that was it no there is an 660 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:36,589 argument that was made on the age of the 661 00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:40,330 Sphinx the argument is solid 662 00:34:46,510 --> 00:34:43,220 it's a geological argument it's using 663 00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:46,520 hard science there is textual arguments 664 00:34:48,849 --> 00:34:48,200 there is the dirtiest Ptolemy's 665 00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:48,859 arguments 666 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:51,470 now we haven't there hasn't been the 667 00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:55,310 smoking gun yet but we're working 668 00:35:00,130 --> 00:34:57,260 towards the smoking gun or at least 669 00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,140 leaned the issue very much in favor of a 670 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:03,200 lot of things but for Egyptologist to 671 00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:05,089 have poo pooed this I'd be trailing 672 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:08,030 simply because they didn't like it using 673 00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:11,050 their authority using the position of of 674 00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:14,420 academic position to try and frighten 675 00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:17,150 and intimidate people like West well 676 00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:20,359 kudos to him and a lesson to people like 677 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:24,400 me who who followed the same route I 678 00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,010 felt I've put a good argument here you 679 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:30,320 know my argument is solid I can't bring 680 00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:32,450 the smoking gun evidence I don't think 681 00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:34,369 would ever have smoking gun evidence on 682 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:36,950 such matters but the argument is solid 683 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:38,630 and that's how things go you know you 684 00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:40,190 start on with the proper theory it's 685 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:42,920 investigated people try to falsify it 686 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:45,830 and let's see what happens but no this 687 00:35:49,570 --> 00:35:47,330 is not what happening Egyptology I'm 688 00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:49,580 sorry from renting a massage and but 689 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:50,220 there we are 690 00:36:02,060 --> 00:35:57,590 sacrificial goat if you like that they 691 00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:02,070 went for him and he he stood by his guns 692 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:06,630 and he you know that's how I how I see 693 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:10,260 him and I I took I took I took stock 694 00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,630 from this up front stuffers and indeed I 695 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:14,460 remember hand so I will call the four 696 00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:18,570 horsemen you know we we joined forces if 697 00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:20,790 you like because and we were a very 698 00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,100 loose kind of force because you know we 699 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:24,900 didn't have an establishment we didn't 700 00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:26,970 have a okay shock was at Boston 701 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:28,620 University but we didn't have a an 702 00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:31,320 institute you know we believed in 703 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:32,280 different countries and different 704 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:36,330 continents but we held on against 705 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:39,270 universities against you know I'm 706 00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:40,770 blowing my trumpet at the moment and 707 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:42,390 John stamps because we were twenty 708 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:44,970 thirty years later but it needs to be 709 00:36:49,550 --> 00:36:46,770 said and this is what this man deserves 710 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:49,560 it deserves that that immense respect 711 00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:54,990 and credit for laying the way of how to 712 00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:58,980 deal with this this what what has been 713 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:02,640 termed alternative history alternative 714 00:37:09,010 --> 00:37:03,930 history may become history 715 00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:09,020 alright that's that's what he started 716 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:12,620 one of the things that has always 717 00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:17,190 impressed me is his ability to take a 718 00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:19,980 stance that is outside of even for 719 00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:22,830 people like like myself or like shock 720 00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:25,140 that that will originally be variable 721 00:37:30,350 --> 00:37:27,080 consider themselves open-minded as 722 00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:30,360 Jonathan West said to one individual 723 00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:33,240 fine to be an open minded geologist and 724 00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:37,590 he found on dr. Robert Schoch the belief 725 00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:41,760 that the Sphinx is over 12,500 years old 726 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:45,080 I I'm not if I'm not mistaken and again 727 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,790 John himself or or his family may be 728 00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:49,920 able to correct me on this that he 729 00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:51,480 believes that it's possible it could 730 00:38:00,500 --> 00:37:53,670 actually be thirty six thousand four 731 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:00,510 hundred years old yes I'm I'm not 732 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:03,090 against that possibility but as I always 733 00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,770 said 734 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:06,540 you know we've have enough trouble with 735 00:38:13,099 --> 00:38:08,490 ten thousand seven billion so let's take 736 00:38:16,329 --> 00:38:13,109 it easy yes it is possible it's possible 737 00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:16,339 but I think the geology suggests 738 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:18,500 wouldn't go that far 739 00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:21,770 I'm sure shot was supporting this 740 00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,380 geology pushes the date to twelve 741 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:27,720 millennium you know it's not a very 742 00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:30,390 precise dating with geology but it's 743 00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:32,099 around that date I think to push it that 744 00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:32,700 far 745 00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:34,980 I don't think shock would be ready to go 746 00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:38,790 there but hey and the question is still 747 00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,359 open and I was well visible so doing a 748 00:38:47,540 --> 00:38:44,640 search on the manuscripts of my book and 749 00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,550 I've put Buddha and I've just realised 750 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:49,560 as my co-author professor Chandra 751 00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:51,570 hemisphere has actually quoted Buddha 752 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:53,880 but a different quote and I will read 753 00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:55,290 you this because I didn't realise it'd 754 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:01,320 put this he says Buddha last words to a 755 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:06,230 disciple Ananda exemplify the empiricism 756 00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:09,450 of Buddhist philosophy which I 757 00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:12,359 wholeheartedly support that's written by 758 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:15,230 Chandra be something and the quote is be 759 00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:18,050 lamps unto yourselves 760 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:21,750 only rely on yourselves and not on 761 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:25,140 external help hold fast to the lamp of 762 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:29,220 truth seek refuge only in the truth not 763 00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:32,089 not for refuge on anyone beside yourself 764 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:35,880 very good advice let's see if I find 765 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:43,460 is here is mine the one I was trying to 766 00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,500 do to you and that's the court there are 767 00:39:55,220 --> 00:39:48,900 two mistakes one can make along the road 768 00:39:57,970 --> 00:39:55,230 to truth not going all the way and not 769 00:40:01,400 --> 00:39:57,980 starting I love that one 770 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:01,410 well John has started it and he went all 771 00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:05,250 the way so it would I would have been 772 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:07,950 proud of him and it does everything 773 00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:10,170 that's been built up around the search 774 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:14,100 for the true let us say the true origins 775 00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:16,290 the the mysteries of where we as a 776 00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:19,230 society came from but you know previous 777 00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:23,190 to 6000 BC because there there is no 778 00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:25,230 real written history beyond that point 779 00:40:29,330 --> 00:40:27,960 we have figurines we have skeletons on 780 00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,340 the ground you know we we have 781 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:31,380 rudimentary tools that people have found 782 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:35,760 but the there are many threads to that 783 00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:38,190 past as Graham would say where we are a 784 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:40,620 species with amnesia and I cannot ever 785 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:43,410 say it as eloquently as he can but I do 786 00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,700 try and the one one thing that he always 787 00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:49,920 and we have mentioned it is Zep tepi the 788 00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,120 first time and one interesting I'm going 789 00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,180 to quote Graham's website and this is an 790 00:41:02,300 --> 00:40:59,880 article that was written actually it's 791 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:02,310 actually by a man with the the author 792 00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:04,740 named Thunderbird the first time and 793 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:06,780 again this could be I thought it was 794 00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:07,770 actually from Graham but it could be 795 00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:10,830 correct which is when the gods rolled in 796 00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:12,600 a country they said it was a Golden Age 797 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:14,220 during which the waters of the abyss had 798 00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:17,130 receded the primordial darkness was 799 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:18,990 banished and humanity emerging into the 800 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:20,250 light was offered the gifts of 801 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,370 civilization and he goes on to say they 802 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:25,440 spoke also of intermediaries between 803 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:28,740 gods and men the horseshoe a category of 804 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:30,780 lesser divinities whose title meant the 805 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:34,260 watchers what would be your is there 806 00:41:41,609 --> 00:41:37,450 something that you have perspective on 807 00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:41,619 I think I talked about this in our last 808 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:47,020 interview but in this day and age more 809 00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:51,790 precisely in cutting-edge knowledge and 810 00:41:59,460 --> 00:41:54,940 science we have to put many things on 811 00:42:02,809 --> 00:41:59,470 the table 50 years ago things are very 812 00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:02,819 different we didn't have quantum physics 813 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:08,500 we knew very little about the cosmos 814 00:42:14,789 --> 00:42:12,030 other than knowing that we were a 815 00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:14,799 planetary system and were inside a 816 00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:19,270 galactic a galaxy in the Milky Way and 817 00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:24,400 we had a rough idea but it sighs 15 818 00:42:34,049 --> 00:42:29,099 years on today we have to contend with 819 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:34,059 one cosmology that has an astronomy and 820 00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:38,490 has given us a completely different view 821 00:42:46,799 --> 00:42:42,760 with hard evidence that we're in a 822 00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:46,809 cosmos that is much faster and much more 823 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:50,680 populated than we would ever dreamt the 824 00:42:58,799 --> 00:42:53,170 latest is and it was in the Scientific 825 00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,809 American of of June I think M or several 826 00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:00,880 I'm not very scientific American or 827 00:43:09,329 --> 00:43:04,960 throw me today or but the last count due 828 00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:09,339 to improving the optical facilities with 829 00:43:19,789 --> 00:43:14,400 camera on on Hubble telescope has 830 00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:19,799 confirmed that the number of galaxies in 831 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:23,920 the visible universe is not a hundred 832 00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:25,720 billion which was already an enormous 833 00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:29,230 amount as previously thought but one 834 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:33,760 trillion we live in a visible universe 835 00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:37,510 that has a 1 trillion galaxies each 836 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:40,540 having an average of a hundred billion 837 00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,030 or 200 billion stars and with the size 838 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:49,359 that boggles the wildest of imagination 839 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:50,770 13 and a 840 00:43:59,310 --> 00:43:56,650 a billion light years this is something 841 00:44:03,420 --> 00:43:59,320 that LM we're finding within our own 842 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:03,430 galactic system evidence of planetary 843 00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:06,490 systems the latest one is one there may 844 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:08,200 be even a later one not following the 845 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:11,590 news every day but the latest was rapid 846 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:15,130 one with a planet with with the Sun 847 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:16,930 about 49 light years away to be 848 00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:20,710 practically in our galactic backyard as 849 00:44:26,070 --> 00:44:23,590 they say with seven earth-like planets 850 00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:26,080 they're estimating over a billion 851 00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:29,560 planets within our galactic our galaxy 852 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:33,940 alone so the odds are way way way a 853 00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:37,390 difference of finding life and probably 854 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:41,460 advanced life advanced civilization 855 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:45,130 outside our own planetary system even 856 00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:47,710 within our own galactic system so having 857 00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:50,680 said this we must be open to and then 858 00:44:59,220 --> 00:44:55,540 comes quantum mechanics and comes string 859 00:45:02,730 --> 00:44:59,230 theory and now and this was I can assure 860 00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:02,740 you in the Scientific American of last 861 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:07,600 month where the multiverse is being 862 00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:10,330 taken extremely seriously by a majority 863 00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,140 of scientists today we live in this kind 864 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:17,040 of context everything is possible and 865 00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:20,440 here we are on this little planet you 866 00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:22,060 know hardly two hundred thousand years 867 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:28,900 of homo sapien evolution and we have 868 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:31,000 Egyptology telling us with certainty 869 00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:35,610 that there was nothing before 3,000 BC 870 00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:38,470 whereas this planet has existed for 871 00:45:43,590 --> 00:45:41,100 four-and-a-half billion years and 872 00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:43,600 anything could have happened anything at 873 00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:46,540 all and you know we were put forward 874 00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:49,060 down when we suggested lost civilization 875 00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:52,060 and god they were put down when they 876 00:45:55,890 --> 00:45:54,220 suggested possible extraterrestrial 877 00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:55,900 contact where this is on the table now 878 00:46:00,270 --> 00:45:59,050 it has to be on the table we have to put 879 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:00,280 it there and of course the book I've 880 00:46:04,820 --> 00:46:02,530 written with Chandra Wickramasinghe puts 881 00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:04,830 it on the table in a very serious man 882 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:07,960 we have to be in the 21st century when 883 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:09,910 we look at the past you know if we have 884 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:12,010 to move on and look at things the way 885 00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:14,110 they have to be looked at without the 886 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:18,190 fear of ridicule from an establishment 887 00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:21,130 that is still thinking in a classical or 888 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:25,630 fashion way we have anomalies at Giza we 889 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:27,970 have serious anomalies we don't know how 890 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:30,130 they build this monuments we Donna how 891 00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:31,810 they move the stones we don't know why 892 00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:34,120 they build it with such perfection we 893 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:36,390 don't know why they put mathematical 894 00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:38,770 constant in their design we don't know 895 00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:41,590 why they build the Sphinx at that time 896 00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:43,750 you know the Hall of Records all these 897 00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:46,270 things have to be looked at seriously 898 00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:51,250 this is what what the horsemen and 899 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:53,230 others should bring more to the 900 00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:54,910 forefront this is what I'm doing with 901 00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:56,710 with this with his books and 902 00:47:01,340 --> 00:46:57,820 particularly with the book I've written 903 00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:01,350 with Chandra with everything because now 904 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:06,520 with having a scientist from from within 905 00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:09,820 the fold you know a very heavyweight 906 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:13,750 scientist professor of astrobiology at 907 00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:16,810 Cardiff University who has taught at 908 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:19,540 Cambridge University who is still a 909 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:21,730 visiting professor at the University 910 00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:25,720 with endless awards in in his profession 911 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:30,190 and him having an open mind to this an 912 00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:32,770 open mind a serious open entities you 913 00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:37,540 know so what I'm trying to say is that 914 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:41,920 this this generation which starts a bit 915 00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,270 west of alternative history and with the 916 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:48,880 new generation that will follow the new 917 00:47:55,470 --> 00:47:51,490 kids on the block can maybe a few 918 00:47:57,570 --> 00:47:55,480 buttons other ones that now that what 919 00:48:00,780 --> 00:47:57,580 Gary Osborne for one and various others 920 00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:00,790 that are looking into this mystery and 921 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:03,580 it will it's very evident when do you 922 00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:05,650 make about that I'm not sure if you if 923 00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:07,990 you've heard or heard of this book 924 00:48:13,850 --> 00:48:10,030 humans are not from Earth a scientific 925 00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:13,860 evaluation of evidence by Ellis silver 926 00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,750 so it's it essentially several years ago 927 00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:17,680 a 928 00:48:39,569 --> 00:48:37,720 beings 929 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:39,579 I don't like this idea told the balance 930 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:41,530 of it it I would the way I look at the 931 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:42,609 dispensed Bohemia 932 00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:46,030 I mean Chandra in the seventies Chandra 933 00:48:49,290 --> 00:48:47,740 become in sync with Sir Fred Hoyle 934 00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:49,300 proposed the fears is becoming very very 935 00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:51,640 popular now mainly because of the 936 00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:55,359 evidence is that life originating the 937 00:49:01,859 --> 00:48:59,050 cosmos long long long before even our 938 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:01,869 planetary system was formed a planetary 939 00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:03,490 system is falling 1/2 billion years old 940 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:06,790 and that we may I go into this plant 941 00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:08,730 apparently really life originated 942 00:49:14,609 --> 00:49:11,380 billions millions if not billions of 943 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:14,619 years before if they're right and it 944 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:18,730 looks like they are right then here is 945 00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:21,670 the thing that we have to put on the 946 00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:24,670 table we in two hundred thousand years 947 00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,359 and moved from from being in caves to 948 00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,359 putting people on the moon and me 949 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:33,040 talking to you with a with a with a 950 00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:36,250 microphone across continents and seeing 951 00:49:43,650 --> 00:49:40,150 each other on skype you know and then 952 00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:43,660 soon we will have people with certain 953 00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:45,700 health problems on barns and probably a 954 00:49:51,799 --> 00:49:49,240 man's man expedition about we've taken 955 00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:51,809 that in just two hundred thousand years 956 00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,980 imagine what we'll be able to do if we 957 00:49:59,900 --> 00:49:57,040 don't blow ourselves up in another two 958 00:50:03,349 --> 00:49:59,910 hundred years in another thousand years 959 00:50:06,809 --> 00:50:03,359 in another hundred thousand years so 960 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:06,819 what if and the what if is very very 961 00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:08,950 very much on the table there is 962 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:11,920 civilizations out there that are a 963 00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:15,130 couple of centuries ahead of us two 964 00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:17,049 centuries a thousand years a billion 965 00:50:27,550 --> 00:50:22,240 years ahead of us their their technology 966 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:27,560 their science would be totally and 967 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:29,970 Unsinkable to us it would be even beyond 968 00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,770 science fiction this is on the table you 969 00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,140 know no matter how how skeptical people 970 00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:39,540 want to be it is on the tables it is 971 00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:41,070 something that has to be discussed 972 00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,660 anything is discussed among the 973 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:44,700 scientific community about with this 974 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:48,090 with with the astrophysicists with 975 00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:50,250 astrobiologists it is discussed it's a 976 00:50:54,740 --> 00:50:52,920 common discussion not with our friend 977 00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:54,750 Egyptologist what with our friendly 978 00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:57,230 archeologists they are behind the times 979 00:51:03,770 --> 00:51:00,750 now I'm not saying that every single 980 00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,780 ancient monument on this planet is has 981 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:05,700 something to do with with a possible 982 00:51:10,099 --> 00:51:07,710 access racial context but we have a 983 00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:10,109 prime Monument the Great Pyramid of Giza 984 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:12,390 it is there it is 985 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:14,790 it has baffled generations no matter 986 00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:16,770 what Egyptologists say in its 987 00:51:23,090 --> 00:51:19,980 construction it in its design in its 988 00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:23,100 astronomy and we haven't been able to 989 00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:27,119 explain it properly even today with with 990 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:30,359 hundreds and hundreds of experts looking 991 00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:35,250 at it so this is what I'm saying and 992 00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:36,270 I've been saying this for quite a long 993 00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,830 time and this is what I'm saying it in a 994 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:40,400 very strong way in this book that I'll 995 00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:43,410 be bringing out with will become a 996 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:47,640 thinking in December we have to open the 997 00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:54,330 discussion and bring it back to where it 998 00:52:00,680 --> 00:51:58,440 should be on the site itself we have to 999 00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:00,690 be allowed we have to be allowed to want 1000 00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,600 to research there you know the story 1001 00:52:08,540 --> 00:52:06,240 about these things I mean it's 1002 00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:08,550 ridiculous that with all the evidence 1003 00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:10,200 that has been put forward by Robert 1004 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,390 Schoch and later by another expedition 1005 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:15,920 the draw Shore Jahoda expedition 96 1006 00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,810 where there is overwhelming radar and 1007 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:20,640 simple graphic evidence that there might 1008 00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:26,440 and the technologists are refusing to 1009 00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:30,710 allow further explanation when we when 1010 00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:33,110 the scientific tools are there that will 1011 00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:37,640 not harm in any way that the site you 1012 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:39,980 know the less that the door inside the 1013 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:41,450 Great Pyramid that was discovered by 1014 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:43,490 those guns breaking ITC we're still 1015 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:45,530 waiting to see what's behind those doors 1016 00:52:50,890 --> 00:52:48,370 you know rather than hearing the 1017 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:50,900 constant you know it's nonsense and 1018 00:52:58,210 --> 00:52:55,010 arbitrary arguments now these are the D 1019 00:53:03,700 --> 00:52:58,220 D D the matters that have to be brought 1020 00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:03,710 back on the site itself so yeah sorry 1021 00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,310 I'm 15 minutes yeah I was trying to do 1022 00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:10,240 it all well I can I wore this thing oh 1023 00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:12,950 one of those people who gets wound up 1024 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:15,620 and well we can we can always go a 1025 00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,570 little longer I know that we're going to 1026 00:53:21,490 --> 00:53:19,760 have a discussion which is probably 1027 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:21,500 going to be me talking and I like the 1028 00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:23,570 sound of your voice much better so it's 1029 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:25,670 we can always cut into that that part 1030 00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:27,170 and be able to gain a little more 1031 00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:29,240 knowledge and perspective from you but 1032 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:32,780 you're discussing the concept of shock 1033 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:34,730 and I know the back in February when we 1034 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:37,970 did our first fundraiser for John and he 1035 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:40,610 described the absolutely horrendous 1036 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:43,130 conditions in the own that in his own 1037 00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:45,050 academic community but not necessarily 1038 00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,220 from from the you know the geologist 1039 00:53:52,750 --> 00:53:51,200 community because they'd it's not a 1040 00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:52,760 majority of them backed him up on his 1041 00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:54,980 assertions of the the weather the 1042 00:53:59,920 --> 00:53:56,630 weather erosion and water erosion on the 1043 00:54:03,340 --> 00:53:59,930 Sphinx with regard to the books from 1044 00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:03,350 Ellis silver it is a very why it's a 1045 00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:07,670 very radical theory and I did a fair 1046 00:54:12,570 --> 00:54:10,640 amount of research into Ellis silver to 1047 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:12,580 try and get them on the den of Laura and 1048 00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:14,810 one very interesting thing that I found 1049 00:54:21,370 --> 00:54:18,470 out was the person doesn't exist who 1050 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:21,380 Ellis silver and I'll send you the 1051 00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,970 information once they get off once I get 1052 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:25,280 off line evening they also doesn't exist 1053 00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:27,050 well they exist but this is a nom de 1054 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:29,420 plume and I actually tracked down the 1055 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:31,730 person who published the book and I 1056 00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:33,530 asked okay well what what is you know 1057 00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:36,320 bored of what is the situation and they 1058 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:37,720 are a 1059 00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:39,609 ll silver is a nom de plume and the 1060 00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:42,460 person is a very well-known somebody you 1061 00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:44,230 would see on TV or they would be brought 1062 00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:46,180 on CNN you don't use programs as an 1063 00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:48,550 actual expert extremely extremely 1064 00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,740 extremely well known as even their voice 1065 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:53,200 could give them away and this is 1066 00:54:56,310 --> 00:54:54,490 something that they actually believes a 1067 00:54:59,599 --> 00:54:56,320 possibility and they've had to go 1068 00:55:02,849 --> 00:54:59,609 through such lengths to disguise their 1069 00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:02,859 identity to be able to bring this notion 1070 00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:04,390 out in the world so people can at least 1071 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:06,340 chew on it or at least consider it and 1072 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:08,200 this for them as a theory they don't 1073 00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:09,490 know if it's 100 percent correct they 1074 00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:11,560 said this is what I think is possible 1075 00:55:16,260 --> 00:55:13,180 and this is the information behind it 1076 00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:16,270 but if they're known their entire career 1077 00:55:20,849 --> 00:55:18,609 that they've built up over many many you 1078 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:20,859 know decades would have been completely 1079 00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:26,530 destroyed and it's it to me it is one of 1080 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:30,280 the it's a shame because if we're 1081 00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:32,890 supposed to try and gain increased 1082 00:55:35,849 --> 00:55:34,240 knowledge and understanding through 1083 00:55:37,950 --> 00:55:35,859 collaboration and discussion and 1084 00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:37,960 distillation of ideas and looking at a 1085 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:39,820 problem or concept and saying okay well 1086 00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:41,650 this is a theory does it work yes great 1087 00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:43,270 move on to the next one doesn't does it 1088 00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,160 not okay let's put it aside for now 1089 00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:48,160 and go on to the next one but where we 1090 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:51,300 are as a society have been trained to 1091 00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:54,130 not do this to be able to oppose new 1092 00:56:03,220 --> 00:55:57,070 ideas that especially as an example in 1093 00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:03,230 Egyptology and I'm very thankful that 1094 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:04,670 individuals such as yourself or John 1095 00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:08,090 Anthony West Robert Schoch John Major 1096 00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,910 Jenkins it who have been so courageous 1097 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:15,440 to say this is what I this is a 1098 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:17,090 possibility and even though it may not 1099 00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:19,130 be true we need to talk about this and 1100 00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:24,640 you okay the hey sorry I'm Janelle do 1101 00:56:30,810 --> 00:56:27,380 let me quote you it's interesting quote 1102 00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,820 you know professor of philosophy and 1103 00:56:36,430 --> 00:56:32,960 computer science at the University of 1104 00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:36,440 Oxford Peter Milligan so you know it's 1105 00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:40,670 quite a heavy weight huh he said this 1106 00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:43,960 and I'm quoting it in the book and 1107 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:47,000 that's what he said it's healthy to have 1108 00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:50,570 some crazy ideas you don't want to 1109 00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:53,660 censor ideas according to whether they 1110 00:56:58,060 --> 00:56:55,880 seem sensible or not because sometimes 1111 00:57:01,060 --> 00:56:58,070 important new advances which seem crazy 1112 00:57:02,830 --> 00:57:01,070 to start with you never know when good 1113 00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:02,840 ideas may come from thinking outside the 1114 00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:05,000 box I mean that's what it's about and 1115 00:57:10,210 --> 00:57:07,580 I'm surprised that you see the problem 1116 00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:10,220 is peer pressure peer pressure 1117 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:14,720 thank goodness John was outside he did 1118 00:57:22,780 --> 00:57:19,609 the spirits ethos and so was I and so 1119 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:22,790 was RAM and and shark was winded within 1120 00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:25,609 the for the academic world even more 1121 00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,990 kudos to him because he went for it you 1122 00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,520 know you have to go for it and I think 1123 00:57:39,790 --> 00:57:33,440 the spins of it shouldn't even on the 1124 00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:39,800 plural this is sad yes they should have 1125 00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:43,580 come out strongly look the most crazy I 1126 00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:46,960 mean Galileo was branded crazy 1127 00:57:54,250 --> 00:57:51,640 Copernicus was friends crazy the 1128 00:57:58,570 --> 00:57:54,260 founding fathers of quantum mechanics 1129 00:58:00,040 --> 00:57:58,580 was crazy I mean a little a hundred 1130 00:58:02,349 --> 00:58:00,050 years ago when you said that there would 1131 00:58:05,050 --> 00:58:02,359 be would be landing on the moon people 1132 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:05,060 said you were crazy I mean not the 1133 00:58:10,690 --> 00:58:07,250 craziest ideas have proved to be correct 1134 00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:10,700 we are not saying every crazy idea and 1135 00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:14,900 saying crazy idea by intelligent people 1136 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:16,190 who 1137 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:18,770 I think what grazing great we're 1138 00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,810 thinking outside the box and come up 1139 00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:22,480 with something that goes completely 1140 00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:25,480 against the grain completely against the 1141 00:58:34,030 --> 00:58:30,670 current but we'll be right at the end so 1142 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:34,040 look I'm going to lay my reputation here 1143 00:58:39,309 --> 00:58:36,650 over the book will be out anyways and 1144 00:58:40,329 --> 00:58:39,319 I'm very very open now to the 1145 00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:40,339 possibility of an extraterrestrial 1146 00:58:49,809 --> 00:58:43,760 complex actually we open and there is a 1147 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:49,819 lot of reasons that I have I have taken 1148 00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:54,650 into account that makes me say this all 1149 00:59:00,280 --> 00:58:58,160 right the truth is that it's wrong to 1150 00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:00,290 say we have hard evidence we do not have 1151 00:59:06,370 --> 00:59:03,440 high levels we really do not have hard 1152 00:59:08,290 --> 00:59:06,380 and what we have is anomalies that need 1153 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:08,300 to be investigated and that's the right 1154 00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:10,490 way to approach this and if these 1155 00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:13,310 anomalies bring out the evidence then 1156 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:16,220 yes and if they don't well they don't 1157 00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:18,290 but this is how this matter has to be 1158 00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:22,520 opposed and I don't have to put another 1159 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,940 I believe that any sensible 1160 00:59:35,319 --> 00:59:33,579 scientifically minded open-minded person 1161 00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,329 will not be a problem with this at all 1162 00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:38,480 it is only those who have a vested 1163 00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:41,720 interest in maintaining a status quo you 1164 00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:44,180 know Egyptology have established what 1165 00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:47,420 Egyptian civilization is when it has 1166 00:59:53,050 --> 00:59:50,630 started how it has started and they want 1167 00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:53,060 to stick on this no matter what 1168 01:00:00,400 --> 00:59:57,200 well that's not science science changes 1169 01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:00,410 things now if we apply their way of 1170 01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:01,760 thinking which will be on the flat earth 1171 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:07,369 and let and with the well you get my 1172 01:00:12,550 --> 01:00:07,730 point 1173 01:00:16,329 --> 01:00:12,560 right of course it's I see this as an 1174 01:00:19,390 --> 01:00:16,339 age of new enlightenment in new ideas 1175 01:00:21,099 --> 01:00:19,400 even for myself I started with being 1176 01:00:23,230 --> 01:00:21,109 extremely open-minded in saying okay 1177 01:00:24,460 --> 01:00:23,240 well you know with the the Anunnaki 1178 01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:24,470 Theory was a hundred percent you like 1179 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:28,700 was correct and you know the the idea of 1180 01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:31,250 Sitchin was 100% correct and I went from 1181 01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:36,369 there to being very I'm going to say 1182 01:00:40,450 --> 01:00:39,049 close-minded to a certain extent where 1183 01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:40,460 it'd be like a particulars that I to a 1184 01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:43,599 very slow Cape sorry captain being 1185 01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:47,480 skeptical more than open-minded and it 1186 01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:51,680 was only in the last after years of 1187 01:00:56,289 --> 01:00:53,180 having that very open-mindedness to 1188 01:00:58,210 --> 01:00:56,299 several months of skepticism to going 1189 01:01:00,609 --> 01:00:58,220 back the other way again in kind of an 1190 01:01:04,329 --> 01:01:00,619 equal amount of time in the line I will 1191 01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,339 to do in one favor I mean somebody said 1192 01:01:08,289 --> 01:01:05,839 that I should try to remember again 1193 01:01:10,569 --> 01:01:08,299 facilities it's okay to have an open 1194 01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:10,579 line it's not okay to have your brains 1195 01:01:17,980 --> 01:01:15,920 drop out right so there is things that 1196 01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:17,990 one should have an open mind there are 1197 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:20,540 other things that no I'm sorry I'm not 1198 01:01:25,329 --> 01:01:22,730 going to have my brains drop out so that 1199 01:01:29,849 --> 01:01:25,339 you think I'm cool and I'm open-minded 1200 01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:29,859 so yes skepticism is a must in 1201 01:01:35,799 --> 01:01:32,660 investigations you start with being 1202 01:01:37,450 --> 01:01:35,809 skeptical but not closed-minded 1203 01:01:39,549 --> 01:01:37,460 I'm skeptical because what you're 1204 01:01:43,089 --> 01:01:39,559 proposing is I mean what somebody's 1205 01:01:45,460 --> 01:01:43,099 proposing is very radical so I look at 1206 01:01:48,430 --> 01:01:45,470 the evidence I look at what is at the 1207 01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:48,440 argument take it further and then slowly 1208 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:51,380 slowly the skeptical skepticism converts 1209 01:01:56,859 --> 01:01:53,930 itself into a proper investigation but 1210 01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,869 you start with skepticism you know 1211 01:02:00,370 --> 01:01:58,400 people were gullible because somebody 1212 01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:00,380 said it and that's it no doesn't work 1213 01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:03,040 that is for me and I expect to be people 1214 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:05,720 people to be skeptical about what I say 1215 01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:09,410 and what I've done there were no way and 1216 01:02:13,210 --> 01:02:11,000 I was quite happy with this I was quite 1217 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:13,220 happy that is charged with skepticism I 1218 01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,690 said the three pyramids of giza I look 1219 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:15,920 like the three stars of Orion's belt 1220 01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:18,290 here is the evidence there is a shaft in 1221 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:19,940 the Great Pyramid pointing to align the 1222 01:02:26,140 --> 01:02:21,410 belt here at the Pyramid Texts and so 1223 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:26,150 forth but skepticism started properly 1224 01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:29,930 but then it became arbitrary this is 1225 01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:32,030 what was wrong with the geology they 1226 01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:35,390 didn't like it when truth isn't 1227 01:02:39,849 --> 01:02:37,430 something that has to please 1228 01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:39,859 Egyptologist or anybody else through 1229 01:02:42,690 --> 01:02:41,260 this truth 1230 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:42,700 you know and if they didn't like it well 1231 01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,500 that was too bad and unfortunately 1232 01:02:49,859 --> 01:02:46,960 that's the position they took and how do 1233 01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:49,869 you day they would stop a movement like 1234 01:02:55,260 --> 01:02:52,420 this like John West age of the Sphinx 1235 01:02:59,700 --> 01:02:55,270 and the correlation theory is they tried 1236 01:03:01,560 --> 01:02:59,710 to well the first tried to to sort of 1237 01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:01,570 joking and say this is a lot of rubbish 1238 01:03:04,530 --> 01:03:03,070 didn't work so they went to the next 1239 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:04,540 step and saying we were charlatan 1240 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:06,910 parameters were in quite work and then 1241 01:03:11,849 --> 01:03:09,490 started the nasty stuff it got to the 1242 01:03:13,530 --> 01:03:11,859 point where John West well in the early 1243 01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:13,540 days is being accused of being a Zionist 1244 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:17,230 by I was accused of you can't believe 1245 01:03:23,099 --> 01:03:21,250 what disc used up but so this was all 1246 01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:23,109 wrong coming from this profession and 1247 01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:25,540 discovers more obsolete or obsolete and 1248 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:27,550 this by the way got a lot of scientist 1249 01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:29,890 on our side the scientists were shocked 1250 01:03:34,859 --> 01:03:32,140 by this I can tell you when Hancock and 1251 01:03:38,970 --> 01:03:34,869 I brought out the message of the Sphinx 1252 01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:38,980 and Hankuk wrote the fingerprint of the 1253 01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:39,630 gods 1254 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:43,000 we were ostracized on a television 1255 01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:45,490 program very badly I mean I was accused 1256 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:47,640 of putting bats upside down and all this 1257 01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,369 well it backfired backfired because 1258 01:03:57,420 --> 01:03:53,680 that's not the way to deal with new 1259 01:03:58,770 --> 01:03:57,430 ideas it's not the way at all and that's 1260 01:03:59,970 --> 01:03:58,780 when I got the support that by the way 1261 01:04:01,800 --> 01:03:59,980 that's how I met all these wonderful 1262 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:01,810 people like Chandra became I think and 1263 01:04:06,330 --> 01:04:03,850 Mary broken various others because they 1264 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:06,340 came to my support they said well look 1265 01:04:12,109 --> 01:04:08,770 we may not agree with you but that's not 1266 01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:12,119 the way that a profession should behave 1267 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:15,190 this is all wrong and this is 1268 01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,410 unfortunate what when I say gypped ology 1269 01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:19,359 I don't want to put all its colleges in 1270 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:22,150 one basket unfortunate was a gang of 1271 01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:25,810 Egyptologist that held the the floor if 1272 01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:28,060 you like and I'm here but dr. Zahi 1273 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:31,060 Hawass I'm thinking about Mike Lalor and 1274 01:04:36,810 --> 01:04:33,490 speak evil of Vivian Davis abyss museum 1275 01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:36,820 who people can read it in the book I 1276 01:04:41,220 --> 01:04:39,340 mean I was amazed that the way that I 1277 01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:41,230 was being treated I mean I was I was a 1278 01:04:47,130 --> 01:04:43,720 bonafide a higher diploma engineer I 1279 01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:47,140 came from a very good trade and then he 1280 01:04:52,140 --> 01:04:49,720 was suggesting that I was some sort of 1281 01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:52,150 lunatic you know this was all wrong I 1282 01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:54,280 could understand this this business but 1283 01:04:59,370 --> 01:04:55,360 on izing 1284 01:05:03,360 --> 01:04:59,380 behavior so to me this is where the 1285 01:05:06,780 --> 01:05:03,370 geology has in a way let down itself let 1286 01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:06,790 down itself and this is I hope the new 1287 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:08,350 generation of the technologies will not 1288 01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:13,570 do that we'll look at ideas even if they 1289 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:15,430 come from the outside and this idea 1290 01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:17,530 about the age of these things is one 1291 01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:21,280 that they have to look at and it's being 1292 01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:22,750 shoved down their throat at the moment 1293 01:05:30,090 --> 01:05:25,600 really badly you know because it is 1294 01:05:33,350 --> 01:05:30,100 based on two very heavy Sciences geology 1295 01:05:35,490 --> 01:05:33,360 is not is not wild speculations 1296 01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:35,500 astronomy is not wild speculation and 1297 01:05:40,290 --> 01:05:37,750 the two sciences converge to give us and 1298 01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:40,300 all the things they have to look at it 1299 01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:42,670 no matter what and they will they will 1300 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:44,980 and if it's not this generation with the 1301 01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:48,130 next one but they will you've got to go 1302 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:50,860 into a request you're you're like me and 1303 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:52,690 in the fact that I love a good rant and 1304 01:05:58,620 --> 01:05:54,610 a lot to be able to express exactly how 1305 01:05:59,850 --> 01:05:58,630 you feel and being honest about your 69 1306 01:06:03,270 --> 01:05:59,860 years old I'm not going to hold my 1307 01:06:04,530 --> 01:06:03,280 punches now I'm 34 I'm just getting to 1308 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:04,540 that point as well it's getting me a 1309 01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:06,810 little bit of trouble but you know it's 1310 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:09,580 that's life you will live once the door 1311 01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:11,410 down head they can't hang me twice you 1312 01:06:17,730 --> 01:06:14,710 know well okay I'm used to being hanged 1313 01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:17,740 no no no I mean we need to bring this 1314 01:06:22,860 --> 01:06:20,710 matter properly out we have we've been 1315 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:22,870 doing it for the last 25 years but this 1316 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:26,290 is a time to bring it out maybe because 1317 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:30,370 of John West here is a man who is is you 1318 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:32,770 know who's not well he is fighting for 1319 01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:35,530 his life and he deserves this kind of 1320 01:06:39,570 --> 01:06:37,660 attention and he deserves to hear at 1321 01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:39,580 least one Egyptologist for God's sake 1322 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:42,700 what a toys say we are going to look 1323 01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:43,890 into this matter all right 1324 01:06:49,710 --> 01:06:47,500 that's my last message loud and clear to 1325 01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:49,720 average technologies listening one of 1326 01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:52,270 you come out say you're going to look 1327 01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:53,230 into this properly 1328 01:07:00,690 --> 01:06:57,850 alright that is put me on the air on 1329 01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:00,700 this one and I'm going to I'm going to 1330 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:02,230 close up the segment with that because I 1331 01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:04,690 don't think that's the perfect cap the 1332 01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,910 perfect capstone that will eventually be 1333 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:08,000 lost some 1334 01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:10,610 and hopefully we found in the future to 1335 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:14,030 the segment X and there that to be able 1336 01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,410 to close I would like to at least get 1337 01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:20,960 your perspective what what is the way 1338 01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:25,460 forward how do you see the next era of 1339 01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:28,190 researchers building off of off of this 1340 01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:32,110 work what do things I think that 1341 01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:33,950 Egyptology have to be a bit more 1342 01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:36,710 democratic I mean gypped ology isn't 1343 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:39,560 just for geologists let me take the Giza 1344 01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:41,330 necropolis it requires contract what 1345 01:07:44,770 --> 01:07:43,310 they have they have it and I don't want 1346 01:07:46,930 --> 01:07:44,780 to be too hard on them there has been 1347 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:46,940 other professions involved but there 1348 01:07:53,650 --> 01:07:50,210 have been very very very resistant to 1349 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:53,660 new theories that are solidly built and 1350 01:07:58,450 --> 01:07:56,170 they've been very very resistant to 1351 01:08:00,700 --> 01:07:58,460 allowing others to come investigate 1352 01:08:01,060 --> 01:08:00,710 property on the site so this has to 1353 01:08:03,550 --> 01:08:01,070 change 1354 01:08:06,130 --> 01:08:03,560 Egyptology has to democrazy the Bhakra 1355 01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:06,140 ties in transmitter I hope that the new 1356 01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:08,510 generation will do that the other thing 1357 01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:11,990 is that outsiders you don't have to be a 1358 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:17,090 PhD qualified the geologist or ecologist 1359 01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,130 to be allowed to come up with new ideas 1360 01:08:25,390 --> 01:08:23,600 it's one of one of the things Chandra I 1361 01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:25,400 respect him very much I mean he actually 1362 01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,190 wrote to the times I'm not mistaken or 1363 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:30,560 first in the early days when when I was 1364 01:08:36,190 --> 01:08:32,690 being attacked he said this it's very 1365 01:08:39,310 --> 01:08:36,200 wrong for a profession like Adamic 1366 01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:39,320 profession to think that new ideas can 1367 01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:42,230 and cannot come from somebody outside 1368 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:44,060 from from what they called an amateur 1369 01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,250 you know most of the good ideas in this 1370 01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:48,080 world have come from so-called amateurs 1371 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:50,870 so yeah the way forward is this I mean 1372 01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:53,930 let's not let's let's remove all this 1373 01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,060 this political nonsense that has 1374 01:09:02,110 --> 01:08:59,120 prevailed and dominated Egyptology for 1375 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:02,120 the last thirty years and and and and 1376 01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:06,890 let the new generation bring in new 1377 01:09:10,930 --> 01:09:08,870 ideas new ways to look at this 1378 01:09:17,950 --> 01:09:10,940 there is a whole lot of new science that 1379 01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:23,650 a project that was going on a year ago 1380 01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:25,100 we have heard nothing about this by the 1381 01:09:29,559 --> 01:09:27,980 way you know the the million scanners of 1382 01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:29,569 the pyramid it started a lot of 1383 01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:32,060 publicity and then it died down you know 1384 01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:35,500 what it's the same old story you know 1385 01:09:41,019 --> 01:09:38,450 see a proper scientific investigation 1386 01:09:42,579 --> 01:09:41,029 start then gets the politics and how one 1387 01:09:44,559 --> 01:09:42,589 said you know it doesn't know this and 1388 01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:44,569 doesn't that and then they argue about 1389 01:09:48,099 --> 01:09:46,460 who gonna publish first and they're 1390 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:48,109 gonna dare arguing about who has the 1391 01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:50,810 rights to publish enough stuff and it 1392 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:53,710 gets lost into this verbiage of 1393 01:09:58,300 --> 01:09:56,690 political archaeology and it's this has 1394 01:10:00,370 --> 01:09:58,310 to stop let's just stop I've battled 1395 01:10:01,959 --> 01:10:00,380 against this for the last thirty years 1396 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:01,969 and this is my message just to way 1397 01:10:09,729 --> 01:10:04,489 forward you know hey the Giza necropolis 1398 01:10:14,290 --> 01:10:09,739 is a legacy of the past to everybody who 1399 01:10:15,820 --> 01:10:14,300 has a legitimate investigation to do I'm 1400 01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:15,830 not saying every Tom Dick and Harry can 1401 01:10:21,670 --> 01:10:18,710 go there and dig but the rain shock has 1402 01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:21,680 a legitimate right to go there West at 1403 01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:23,900 the register Rudolf Gantt oblique who 1404 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:27,200 has been rudely ostracized to such a 1405 01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:29,090 point where it doesn't even hear about 1406 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:32,510 the Giza necropolis this man this man 1407 01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:34,610 gave ten years of his life to build the 1408 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:36,830 robotic machines to explore the pyramid 1409 01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:38,330 he's found the door 1410 01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,580 he has excited the world with new ideas 1411 01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:42,320 that there may be something inside the 1412 01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:43,790 Great Pyramid every what they've done to 1413 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:47,630 him they took him to court with all this 1414 01:10:52,930 --> 01:10:50,810 nonsense so I you know again I'm ranting 1415 01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:52,940 but this the public has to be aware of 1416 01:10:58,750 --> 01:10:55,250 this the public has to be aware of this 1417 01:11:01,360 --> 01:10:58,760 and Egyptologists have to open their 1418 01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:01,370 doors and let some fresh air come in all 1419 01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:05,870 right you know that's why our an 1420 01:11:09,850 --> 01:11:07,790 agreement on that I'm very confident 1421 01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:09,860 that many many others out there are the 1422 01:11:15,850 --> 01:11:13,400 same again just a hold on the line while 1423 01:11:18,580 --> 01:11:15,860 we finish up the this particular segment 1424 01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:18,590 and I will talk to you just off air for 1425 01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:20,870 a few moments ladies and gentlemen 1426 01:11:25,290 --> 01:11:23,060 please do stick around we have tons more 1427 01:11:27,610 --> 01:11:25,300 to come 1428 01:11:29,070 --> 01:11:27,620 presentations from Gary a David Randall 1429 01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:29,080 Carlson 1430 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:33,520 Aaron cheek and Edward nightingale we 1431 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:36,730 have so much more on this program for 1432 01:11:41,070 --> 01:11:38,170 you thank you very much for your support 1433 01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:41,080 and for being with us this morning and